tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post8722575587369067559..comments2023-11-02T04:53:05.386-05:00Comments on kc bob: Is Marriage a Civil or Religious Institution?kc bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-1224428208214495242015-08-25T22:44:05.703-05:002015-08-25T22:44:05.703-05:00I agree with that. If it is a spiritual bond where...I agree with that. If it is a spiritual bond where a man and woman become one (as in bear children) then nothing changes that spiritual aspect even if gays can now marry so who cares?!Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17712046924863763290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-56841501785521021282011-09-29T10:55:14.921-05:002011-09-29T10:55:14.921-05:00@Fr - Thanks for the visit and the comment. Do you...@Fr - Thanks for the visit and the comment. Do you think that a person can be married religiously but not civilly?kc bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-59261948030114363302011-09-29T10:48:24.403-05:002011-09-29T10:48:24.403-05:00Bob,
I'm pretty sure that the separation of c...Bob,<br /><br />I'm pretty sure that the separation of church and civil marriage in these countries is the legacy of the French Revolution and the consequent Napoleonic regimes. (I know that Turkey wasn't ever conquered by France, but Attaturk was greatly influenced by its secularist ideals.) I'm not positive, but that was the explanation I got from an Italian about three decades ago.<br /><br />I'm pretty conservative so I don't want the Church to have to conform to the State, but why not have a statutory marriage that parallels religious marriage akin to recognition of "common law" marriage? Come to think of it we already do, its called going down to the justice of the peace. (or its equivalent in every state of the union)Fr. Ledbetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01241775385783394021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-89546578805265476322011-09-21T14:27:04.149-05:002011-09-21T14:27:04.149-05:00Marriage is both a Civil AND a Religious Instituti...Marriage is both a Civil AND a Religious Institution. The Civil side: it is a binding contract. The Religious side: it is a covenant.<br /><br />What I find as funny, is in America, the two have become blended together and no one challenges it on the the principle of Separation of Church and State.Oscar Geckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05905319837832627803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-50945673644324317182011-09-20T17:15:32.825-05:002011-09-20T17:15:32.825-05:00Marriage in my eyes is totally a covenant between ...Marriage in my eyes is totally a covenant between a man a woman and Almighty God. This makes us accountable to each other, and both accountable to God. I think that's a good plan. It's worked for us for many years.Wandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06941735389982354519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-80580401854631843692011-09-20T12:26:21.800-05:002011-09-20T12:26:21.800-05:00My In-laws had 3 marriage ceremonies back in 1933....My In-laws had 3 marriage ceremonies back in 1933. Fater in law was in the US Army stationed in Nicaragua and Mother in law was working there as a private duty nurse. They had to be married first by the Nicaraguan Consulate, then a American Consulate ceremony then they wanted to have a "church" wedding. I guess it worked. They were married for 50 solid years.<br />I definitely wanted a spiritual ceremony. It was our covenant between God and us before those who cared about us.photowannabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11760961275666768173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-74176530538926479532011-09-20T10:27:18.181-05:002011-09-20T10:27:18.181-05:00Yes, Bob. Great point. A couple can be married e...Yes, Bob. Great point. A couple can be married even if not in a legal sense.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06035489123868573312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-86870873677811999852011-09-20T10:22:23.964-05:002011-09-20T10:22:23.964-05:00I very much like the way the countries cited do it...I very much like the way the countries cited do it, especially those which consider the government's part to affirm the contract (what I would call the civil union), and then people can be married in a church or not as they and the church see fit.<br /><br />This could help solve the "gay marriage" issue by separating it from religion. Allow civil unions for gays and straights, as a few states already do, and then let churches perform or not perform religious marriages according to what their doctrines prescribe.<br /><br />In regard to your friends. I read an article within the last week or so that the number of older people living together without marriage has greatly increased because of pension considerations.Joe Baronehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10275991273751678636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-20294573762620287752011-09-20T09:55:47.286-05:002011-09-20T09:55:47.286-05:00I'm reminded of the Sting song The Secret Marr...I'm reminded of the Sting song <a href="http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/sting/thesecretmarriage.html" rel="nofollow">The Secret Marriage.</a>Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-24126988925685276632011-09-20T09:48:31.293-05:002011-09-20T09:48:31.293-05:00I wonder if some folks can be married even if not ...I wonder if some folks can be married even if not in a legal sense. I know of one couple that considers themselves married but dot in a legal sense because that would impact her pension (she is a widow) from her deceased husband.kc bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-47698036970501630742011-09-20T08:05:03.396-05:002011-09-20T08:05:03.396-05:00As far as the government at federal, state, and lo...As far as the government at federal, state, and local levels are concerned, marriage is a civil institution. That's one reason why I've never had a problem with government sanctioned gay marriage, even back when I was a hard core conservative.Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-31453128177365533522011-09-20T07:20:48.470-05:002011-09-20T07:20:48.470-05:00Marriage is a civil institution. It can also be a ...Marriage is a civil institution. It can <b>also</b> be a religious institution. One can be married, contractually, by the state, have no faith and have religion not enter into it. But, for many, marriage is also a covenant between two people and G-d and the vows they take are based on their faith.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06035489123868573312noreply@blogger.com