tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post6700060856349414637..comments2023-11-02T04:53:05.386-05:00Comments on kc bob: Why I Reject Christian Universalismkc bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-84083286197879162042015-08-25T23:24:59.806-05:002015-08-25T23:24:59.806-05:00I like how you ask people not to use a ton of scri...I like how you ask people not to use a ton of scripture quotes for the very reason you gave! <br /><br />As for this book and other like it that tend to be part of the Emergent Church as it is called, I have only read little bits but have known many who have not only read it but love this book and others like it. What I've found over the years is that they seem to move more adn more towards a non faith. In fact I saw a fairly "on fire" couple, youth group leaders who loved these sort of books end up many many years later now being not only non believers but dogmatic liberal secular atheists to such a point it is almost stereotypical! I find that interesting. <br /><br />My aunt used to say that if hell if not real then there is nothing to be saved from and Jesus died in vain! I have a Methodist friend who suggested that the hell we are saved from is hell on earth but as anyone who has read or looked at life can see, many many christians experience hell on earth through persecution. What could be worse than ones children sold into sexual slavery and taken from you, never to be seen again, knowing they are being repeatedly raped until eventually killed down the road most likely as the believers in Darfur, Sudan saw or the coptic christians in Iraq and Syria have had to go through? <br /><br />As a father though, I can't imagine allowing any disobedient child of mine to suffer forever and ever no matter how awful whatever they did but then again, that is the problem--I am not utterly 100% holy, not even close! I cant fathom how a totally just holy God can allow the unholy, unrepentant sin into his presence. If someone like my dad does not want to ever bow down to some so called god, as he himself would say, then why would God force him? So my conclusion is I really don;t know for sure but I gotta think Jesus felt destiny was so important he had to die for it! Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17712046924863763290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-67850479849600930532013-11-05T17:10:34.291-06:002013-11-05T17:10:34.291-06:00Thanks Alice. My gray and non-dogmatic take is tha...Thanks Alice. My gray and non-dogmatic take is that the natural consequence of physical birth is a physical death and the supernatural consequence of a spiritual birth is eternal life after physical death.kc bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-12301588427141161632013-11-05T06:35:49.613-06:002013-11-05T06:35:49.613-06:00Very interesting Bob. I appreciate you giving your...Very interesting Bob. I appreciate you giving your reasons and not throwing chapter and verse, it really doesn't help. So in saying that you don't believe that man in inherently immortal, you would say that unbelievers just die at death? Do you see some afterlife punishment based on the crime?Alicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00380432930727921469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-62541208353927795962011-11-06T15:51:10.091-06:002011-11-06T15:51:10.091-06:00@Jenny - Thanks for the question. Repentance is ir...@Jenny - Thanks for the question. Repentance is irrelevant if God's foreknowledge of repentance is not a part of predestination. In my thinking it is inconsistent to separate foreknowledge from predestination.kc bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-43905377342018445282011-11-06T13:40:02.320-06:002011-11-06T13:40:02.320-06:00If God predestines people to go to heaven, then wh...If God predestines people to go to heaven, then why would them being repentant or unrepentant matter? Thanks.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11046641822669890457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-23908119151882057982011-10-22T09:54:59.845-05:002011-10-22T09:54:59.845-05:00Surprised that you did not read those original &qu...Surprised that you did not read those original <a href="http://www.kansasbob.com/2007/03/divine-pets.html" rel="nofollow">"Divine Pets"</a> posts Brian. Maybe that was before you and I connected?kc bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-13850777811383433062011-10-22T09:08:26.689-05:002011-10-22T09:08:26.689-05:00Divine pet? That's the first time I've he...Divine pet? That's the first time I've heard that.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06035489123868573312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-47634991373972579162011-10-21T09:17:58.984-05:002011-10-21T09:17:58.984-05:00@Mike - Your feedback is representative a view tha...@Mike - Your feedback is representative a view that elevates humankind rather than make us pet-like victims.kc bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-90239276371825566532011-10-21T09:12:50.638-05:002011-10-21T09:12:50.638-05:00@Scott - My thinking is that God predestines based...@Scott - My thinking is that God predestines based on His foreknowledge.kc bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-54270334940785174042011-10-21T07:54:34.992-05:002011-10-21T07:54:34.992-05:00So how does God's sovereignty play out in this...So how does God's sovereignty play out in this issue? I believe in predestination as espoused by the PCA church. God chooses those whom he will. Now the PCA certainly doesn't teach universalism, but that has lead me to ask this sort of question.Scott Rochehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788985125689041363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749955731953911627.post-25287642615908493242011-10-20T19:22:32.503-05:002011-10-20T19:22:32.503-05:00I think part of the problem here is a loss of any ...I think part of the problem here is a loss of any real sense of responsibility and justice. We see wrong doing as something we stumble into as a result of our upbringing and environment rather then a serious choice that has consequences.Mike Erich the Mad Theologianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04682504413797395786noreply@blogger.com